After burning out Yahoo personals a few months back, I finally took the plunge with
jdate.com. Through my endless connections in the Jewish community here in the Big Apple, I thought it'd be a good opportunity. I dig Jewish guys, it's true. If I were to generalize all Jewish men, and yes, I am, they typically have qualities I look for in men. Tall (well, sometimes), dark, and handsome (well, it's a particular taste, you know), with large brown eyes, mmmm. They are often well-educated and appreciate a healthy sense of humor (who else can I endlessly quote Seinfeld with?).
Stereotyping? You bet your ass! But, spend a few minutes on jdate.com yourself and you'll see I'm not too far off. I'd say 1/2 the guys on there are lawyers. My only problem with the stereotypically Jewish guy is his tendency to come from an affluent family. I have never dealt too well with affluent families. Growing up in my own state of low-income misery, hanging around with people for which money is not a constant, stabbing concern, can be very trying. Even if the affluent person is the coolest, most laid back person of all, and claims not to "care" about my own personal poverty, it's still trouble. Why? Because it's always a concern for me, and it's never for him.
Example: he wants to go to the movies, and of course, will want popcorn and soda. Afterwards, he'll want to eat in this great restaurant. It's not too expensive, but it's not Gray's Papaya neither. He wants a bottle of wine for dinner, and he'll order at least one appetizer, possibly two if he's feeling like it. And afterwards? Perhaps dessert, perhaps coffee or espresso. Sounds nice, doesn't it? Yeah, it does to me too. But since I do not expect a man to pay for everything (especially something like this), the entire night, all I hear is "cha-ching cha-ching" echoing in my skull while simultaneously calculating the night's expenses against my available checking account balance. I'll go through calculus-like equations of "Okay, if I pay for 1/2 this dinner, then I'll have x amount for lunch and x amount for food at home the until payday. Then I'll have to put off buying that prescription 'til payday, and those shoes I need for work will just have to wait again til...(you guessed it) next payday." It seems I am always using the phrase "'til next payday" in my head.
God damn it, I hate complaining about money, and yet it always seems to come back to it. ANYWAY, I was trying to make a point -- to illustrate that when you don't have a lot of money, it is ALWAYS a concern, always a calculation in your basic quality of life from payday to payday.
And yet, here I am in my own apartment with a computer and cable TV. I think I'm doing okay.
NOW, let's get on with it. I buckled down and paid for one month of jdate. In rapid succession I went out on first dates with a slew of guys -- and all but one turned out to be very very okay. Nice guys, the lot of them, but nothing that made my heart flutter. But, let's review them one by one for fun, shall we?
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Jdate #1 - Pretty boyThe first person I met was the pretty boy. There are always a small # of guys I throw out a "tease" at, much like blowing a kiss, but never expecting anything back. It's fun though, since it's one of the least painful ways to be rejected, since basically, the rejection is non-acknowledgement. I was pleasantly surprised when he IM'ed me shortly after I sent him a tease, and we set up a date. He was kind enough to suggest a bar not too terribly far from my apartment (let's remember I live SO far north in Manhattan that I might as well be in Connecticut). I looked forward to it, despite the fact that I HATE to date.
The bar was dark, and I sat there sipping a screwdriver and watching the Knicks get their collective ass kicked on TV. A guy who sort of fit his description (including the - blech - baseball cap he said he'd be wearing) hovered near the door. He didn't seem to be the 6 feet of tallness claimed in his profile, so I didn't pay the guy much heed. But then, my phone went off, and the guy buy the door was the one calling me. It was him after all.
A part of me was instantly relieved because although he was still very handsome, he had a definite air of nerdiness which took the edge off of the "too hot for you" studliness of his photos. Talk flowed fairly easily, and as is often the case, when I can get to talking about movies, things go very well. I find many men are as big of movie fantastics as me, and we can playfully argue all night. When he loved Gladiator as much as I, and pulled out a bag of sour jelly beans, I was pretty pleased. But still, I wasn't sure. Something about him was ... off.
He had slammed his finger in a door earlier that day and seemed overly preoccupied by it, for one, since he was a guitar player. Though I sympathized, and secretly fantasized of nursing him back to health, his obsession with it just didn't seem right. He kept turning it over in his hand and commenting on it. After a bit, I started to get the feeling that his "oooh, my hand hurts" was code for "maybe I can use my hand as an excuse to get the fuck out of here!" I mean, COME ON, how long did you bitch about your slammed-door-finger after it happened as a child? Sure, you bawled your head off for about ten minutes, but then you got some ice and got over it!
He actually said, "I'm having a really nice time talking to you, I like this," which I took to mean as a GOOD thing. But, it wasn't long before I felt he was really trying to get away, and I let him go. Though he was a cutie and kind of interesting, I didn't walk away with the rush I had hoped for, just a sense of relief that it was over. Probably not a good thing. Neither of us has written back.
Onward!
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Jdate #2 -- The Stockbroker Artist who was WAY too into the idea of the Bangkok Sex Scene.This was the first lunch date. I like to do lunch dates because they're easy (I don't have to try REALLY hard to be cute), they include one of my favorite things -- lunch! And of course, if it sucks, at least I know it's not any longer than my lunch hour!
This guy was an artist who seemed interesting, though I have to admit that physically he wasn't a huge turn-on for me. I liked the thought of an artist though -- he must be interesting! Well, maybe.
We met at Ben's, which is a large, noisy, and very popular kosher restaurant on 38th street. Despite the fact that you can't get cheese with your hamburger (I hate that), they do plunk down a bowl of pickles (!!!!) and a tray of coleslaw as soon as you sit down. Yeah!
As usual, the converation started out slowly. And when conversation lags, and I have to talk about myself (something I can only comfortably do for a minute or so before I start to squirm), I brought up Bangkok. It never fails to perk up whomever you're talking to, since it is not always they hear of a young woman who lived in Bangkok for three years. And somehow, we got around to the sex industry in BKK (shocker). He was completely enraptured by it and I knew immediately he was just another one -- one of those guys who snugly make their home in BKK. Men who readily admit they were dog shit in their home countries and enjoy near king status in Thailand, albeit all adoration being lavished by prostitutes, but that seems to matter little since they are so cute.
The artist smiled broadly throughout this conversation which basically took over the whole date and even continued as we left the restaurant and were walking down the street afterwards. I know sex is an interesting topic and I know the thought of a country where you're treated like a demi-god despite your advanced age and receding hairline is attractive, (hey, Norway, here I am!), but it just gave me a sick feeling, and brought up a lot of feelings that I didn't want to revisit. My disenchantment with western men in BKK was real tough for me, and I didn't want to have to relive it here in NYC where things seem moe "normal."
With a quick hug, we parted and with my own inner sigh, I headed back to the office. And again, when asked by coworkers how it went, my reply was, "Eh."
Onward.
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J NON-Date -- The Slimeball IdiotThis one is fun for me. I think I wrote about this guy in the past. He was one of the few Yahoo Personals guys I went out on a date with -- in the lovely Boathouse bar/restaurant in Central Park. This was the guy who stole the half-full wine bottle left on the table by the previous couple and argued to the waiter who tried to claim it later. (The waiter was well-aware it didn't belong to us).
A few days after I joined jdate, I got an email -- and it was the same guy! Now, I know we only met for one date and it was a few months ago, but COME ON! Am I
that unforgettable? Hehehe, good thing I'm not that insecure *cough*. Anyway, although I was tempted to write him back a nasty email, I instead took the high, well, middle road. I basically told him, "Hey, we DID meet actually, great memory! Thanks!" Heheh. I never heard from him again.
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Match.com date #1 -- Hyena Boy with Stalker Leanings! I logged into Match.com, something I've been doing less and less lately, since I think it's not that great of a website (though it has some interesting personality tests). I saw someone who fit my type - clean cut, dark hair, tall. I joined for my free three days to send him an email and we emailed back and forth a bit. He seemed pretty funny, and nice enough. And as usual, he wanted to talk on the phone (ugh), so I gave him my number.
He called late one night (too late) and started talking. He seemed okay at first, if a bit odd. As typical of me, I soon made a joke.
Then he laughed.
Now, we all know what a "hyena laugh" is, so I don't think I have to describe it to you. But MY GOD! It's like I wish you could have heard it anyway! It was so quick, like rapid gunfire, and so high-pitched, and wait...it was LOUD! Like 10x louder than his regular speech. Like, when he started yelling, you just cringed and wanted to hide.
Now, I know I like to joke about "dealbreakers" with men, and I try not to make them too superficial, but this just may be the winner. I mean, if you just can't stand to be around someone when they're laughing, and you are a person who loves to laugh, who yearns to laugh, who is always trying to make others laugh, well? Yes, I can tell you that he was weird too, 'cause he was.
He didn't work *red flag*, and was deeply embroiled in a large lawsuit with a former employer which was supposed to result in a fat settlement. I don't want to act like one of those women who demand the guy have a good job, but um, well, I do demand that he have a job, period! Even if he had some sort of trust fund, I think I'd be nervous about an idle boyfriend. If I had that much money, I'd be looking to do fun stuff with it, like some sort of dream business or going to cooking school or something. But then, that's me, and I'm alone.
He called a few more times and I was starting to really get my doubts, but at the same time, not wanting to be a total superficial bitch, I thought I should at least meet him in person and be sure. His emails to me were growing increasingly friendly...and urgent. When I made a comment about how his photo wasn't "close enough" (to be able to see his face well), I was bombarded by a slew of new photos to my email account, filled with lots of jokes and *wink/nudge*-like comments. The flood of emails, their content and tone was starting to make me a little nervous though.
In my early years of dating, I had several intense, monogamous relationships. In all save for one, I was the one who did the breaking up. As happens with all of us, some of these guys didn't take it well and took to what my old roommate called my "Stalker Club." There wasn't any kind of real stalking going on, but there was a lot of post-break-up contact/harassment/etc. The worst one was when I was about 24 and walking home from work. A half of a block before I reached my apartment, I suddenly saw my ex-(just broken up with)boyfriend standing right there on the street.
He lived in Sweden at the time! (was Swedish, duh).
The next 48 hours with him were rather ... eventful.
Then there was the guy who came to my place of work EVERY DAY for about two months after I broke up with him, but due to the nature of my work and the place that it is, I couldn't ask him to go away (I did eventually confront him about it).
Anyway, I digress. My point in discussing my past stalker boyfriends is that now years later, I can see the signs, and early on. Is it fair for me to hear the ringing warning bells of 'future stalker' clanging in my ears after a few phone calls and one in-person meeting? We'll never know, but better safe than sorry, that's for sure.
I was in the office at the time. Because of the unbelievable response to the tsunami, I had been called into the office earlier on by a coworker/friend to help out, which I was happy to do. I used it as an excuse to insist on a lunch date (on that day, a Saturday) instead of a what he seemed to want -- a long, nighttime date where we could "go from one place to the next." I knew I wouldn't be able to take him for that length of time and thankfully, I milked the excuse of work for all it was worth.
He must have picked up on my waning enthusiasm, because he mentioned that if i was no longer into it, to tell him so he wouldn't have to drive in (I didn't know he was so far away, I just assumed he was in/near Manhattan). I told him that it was up to him, that he really didn't have to take the time, etc. I said I would be willing to meet him for drinks after work in a few days (also a brief window, being a worknight). He wanted to come though and we agreed on meeting in a diner real close to my work. I still did want to meet him in person though, the curiosity was too strong.
He finally made it, after a few calls where he seemed obsessed about parking his car (I told him about the parking garage that was literally about 20 feet from my work's front door). Still nervous, he said, "What's the name of the parking garage?"
What's the name of the parking garage? Wtf!?
Finally, I convinced him that my directions were sound and to call me when he parked in the garage, which he did, then giving me very detailed description of exactly where he was standing. I reassured him that I knew exactly where he was (again, STEPS from my place of work!), but he insisted on telling me, thinking that it might be different from what I was thinking (No!). I met him, a nervous guy with okay looks. We went to the diner where it took him about 10 minutes to figure out what to order (it took me about 10 seconds -- cheeseburger, fries, thanks!).
Then, he began talking...and he didn't stop. He punctuated each sentence with hyena laughs which were mortifying to sit through. I could see the amused/confused looks from the waitstaff and I wanted to stand up and say, "He's not with me! Really!"
Now, something I don't like about really chatty people is that well, of course, they don't stop! It seems so unbelievably selfish and arrogant. The other thing I can't stand is that since I am a fast eater, if the person is too terribly involved in their conversation skills, I end up with an empty plate and deep feelings of awkwardness. Of course, I
try to eat slow, but it doesn't really work. Besides, you start to feel ridiculous after awhile when you find yourself chewing slower than a cow with her cud.
Finally, he said I should go ahead and talk so he could eat before his food was stone cold (duh), and I began to talk about myself, and as usual, after some time passed, started to get self-conscious about it. And as with my habit, I launched into Thailand, where basically I spent a few minutes talking
only about the school I had worked at (no prostitute talk this time), and what both being a teacher and a director of a small Bangkok school meant. I finished, feeling I had talked too much, but at least had given him time to eat.
And yes, he ate, in fact, true to his unknown name I bestowed upon him, he ate in what I can only imagine the way a hyena eats. Gulping and choking down his food, it was quite the scene. Luckily I had already eaten a good part of my food, for the sight of his eating skills was startling. Large chunks of food and I think, even spittle, escaped from his mouth as he tried to shove in the burger. Perhaps I showed a bit of my horror on my face, for he kind of smiled as he was swallowing down the burger (in what reminded me of a snake swallowing a mouse), and he made a comment on how he normally never went out on a date where you had to eat, just for this reason.
Ugh!
I had just then finished my (to me) long speech about my teaching job in Thailand, and felt good that I had shared how important it was to me. And I swear to god, just seconds later, he said, "So, what did you do in Thailand?"
AAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!
Dealbreaker! D.E.A.L.B.R.E.A.K.E.R. I'm sorry, but if I spend the time to tell you in detail about my job and how important it was to me, perhaps you could LISTEN! I was completely stunned that he had sat there gnawing away at his burger that whole time and had not heard a word! It's not like I said, "I was a teacher" and then launched into a long conversation about how great Thai food was or how beautiful the beaches were. Again, I must have shown shock, for he then said, "Oh yeah, I just don't listen at all when I'm eating...don't pay attention to what anyone is saying."
Oh gee, we've got ourselves a winner here.
At that point, I just didn't want to know this guy anymore. He was strange, arrogant, self-centered, he laughed and ate like a hyena, he didn't know how to listen, and oh yeah, he bitched and complained about how bad the food was (I thought it was a damn fine cheeseburger myself!).
After the date was over, the hyena, whose laugh was still echoing in my ears, surprised me since he must have immediately logged into match.com and gone to my profile (I had removed in almost immediately following the date). I had not removed it because of him, I removed it so the fuckers at match.com wouldn't charge my credit card for going one split second over their 3-day free trial period. He responded with, "I've never chased a girl off of match before!" I responded and told him the real reason why I was off, but what I did (which was unusual) is that I completely removed myself from the whole service, which wasn't necessary. Did he have some small part in this? Sure, but I'm just tired of the whole thing anyway.
After my short reply, a few days went by and I heard nothing. I felt a bit of relief, thinking that he had picked up on my disinterest and wasn't going to be bothering me after all. Maybe he wasn't a future stalker, but he was certainly not a future boyfriend nonetheless!
Funny postscript: after a few days I was surprised (and worried) to get an email from him. It said something to the effect of, "You're nice and cute but I don't think we have any chemistry, sorry."
Hahahahah ohhh you're so right, my dear, you're so right.
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Jdate #4 -- One Night Stand with the Axe MurdererThis is the only story I tell with some amount of sadness. It was near midnight on a Saturday night and I was at work! Yes, I was, but I had a good reason. Sunday morning I was going to Philly to meet an old flame and I was taking off work Monday so we could have some time to play in the city. I had promised a nice woman at work I'd finish a very large and tedious project for her, and so late that night, I was alone in the office. I was logged into jdate and decided to IM a cute guy. I don't do IM'ing that much, not sure why, since I like it much better than the phone. But I did. We started talking and things were just clicking. We both exchanged witty remarks and attacked and defended songs of Billy Joel and cast members of SNL. It was fun, and I was excited. Suddenly, he said we shoot meet, now. It was like 12:30am and as mentioned, I had to be on a bus to Philly in the morning. He had a car and offered to pick me up and go back to his apartment. AXE MURDERER ALERT! To tell you the truth, I really wanted to do it, and yes, I really do enjoy doing things on the spur of the moment. But also, I've watched enough Court TV to know that a chalk outline could possibly be in my future if I took this guy up on his offer.
He kept pushing, though gently and kindly. I wanted to meet at a bar, but with me in midtown and him at home in Queens, we couldn't seem to come up with one that was do-able (and parkable). I knew that we both felt this urgency, this "in the moment" feeling that was slowly slipping away as we kept talking it through and hemming and hawing. Finally, he agreed to drive down and drive us to a bar, so I agreed. I wasn't at my cutest, having spent hours at work, but this would have to do.
His car arrived, and I was surprised since he didn't look like his pictures (damn it, they NEVER do!), but I was still pleased, since he really was a cutie, with those big brown eyes i love to stare into. We spent the next couple hours in a dark, cozy bard called "Volcano" chatting away. I was infatuated and so pleased to finally feel more than an "Eh" about one of these guys. After a couple hours, I felt him cautiously leaning various appendages against me, elbow here, knee there, since we were sitting on some sort of couch-booth thing. I didn't move away. Normally, I do very little, if any touching, on the first date since I don't want to give off that, "fuck me!" vibe. Plus, I have just so much trouble making the first move, i just seem unable to do it. Then at some point he leaned in, and mumbled some comment about kissing me. I was ready. The kiss (or kissing) went on for a bit before we came up for air and I felt pretty giddy. He seemed surprised that it was so "good" since he said often it doesn't work out that way. (Huh?). After more intense kissing, and me starting to become self-conscious that we were turning into the suck face couple you always see in the bar, we got up and made a quick exit.
There really wasn't any discussion, it was just understood that it was back to my place for sex. I won't be graphic, but I will tell you that it was pretty incredible. I think the fact that he is a musician/composer might have something to do with it. Any artist has to have some amount of passion (though I have my doubts about the artist I from jdate #2). And of course, I often find religion (despite my Atheist ways) in sex and if with a good partner, the world will spin out of control. There's actually more I'd like to detail, but since it'll serve to seem more like pure titilation or self-indulgence than anything else, I'll omit it. Yeah, I know, cocktease. One graphic thing I will say -- we ran out of condoms. And don't let that lead you to believe it was quantity over quality, 'cause it wasn't.
Afterwards, though he was kind, I pretty much got this very subtle hint that this wasn't going to go anywhere. Being a conservative Jew, he felt deeply about his religion and wanted to find someone in the same "category." I don't know what I was thinking anyway. It wasn't exactly the kind of date that great relationships are built upon. But since we got along so well and seemed to have things in common, I had hope!
Was it all set up to be a one-night stand after all? Probably, looks like it. That's what makes me a little sad. To finally meet someone I like and have it just kind of dissipate.
Apparently, I am not fully aware of how it works here in NYC and I am slowly learning this. My coworker/friend, "Roberto," took me to Keen's Steakhouse for a scotch (from a 6 page menu of about 200 by region). This is the kind of place with lots of leather chairs and wood wood wood all over. Oh yeah, and it was ALL men (hetero), and if there wasn't a smoke ban, I can guarantee you that it'd be filled with cigar smoke. As we were swishing our $11 scotch in our glasses (the fumes almost knocking me out). But Roberto, about 8 years younger than I, educated me a bit to erase some of my naivete. He talked about how people are just constantly hooking up, very typically having sex on the first date. He said relationships often start by people who hook up several times and finally go, "Well, let's take this somewhere then."
I gotta tell you, sex is one thing I've never felt too naive on, so it's been a bit hard to know that I'm in a city that has a lot to teach me. I have nothing against one night stands, but it's really not what I'm looking for right now, and it bums me out that a guy who seems to be well-matched to me (him to me, not me to him it seems!), is going to slip away. I will give it a few more tries to get something going with him, but I've been hearing the authors of "He's Just Not That Into You" screaming in my ear since the morning after the bang session. He's been nice since then, and has even suggested I call him (though not DURING the week since he's often hoarse from singing all day -- as a music teacher). Gee, that's encouraging. And, I hate doing the phone thing. I never feel comfortable on it. I tried IM'ing him again a couple times and it didn't really go anywhere.
Damn. I guess he's just not that into me.